Need Input on Event

[phoenixZ33]

Every year in Vegas a bunch of dudes get together and hold this event called the BALLS Challenge. Surely some of you have heard of it. I was thinking about going up and doing it this year, but it looks like it'll be cancelled. The event is basically:

Friday: Drag Race @ LVMS
Saturday: Track Event
Sunday: Autocross

I believe they take the cumulative time from all three events and lowest overall time is the event winner. Looking at the schedule:

August 11: NASA Track Day at FIR West
August 12: SCCA Solo2

So I figured as long as there is Friday night drags, why not do it here?

My Concept

Balls to the wall challenge covering three events over three days (with a mandatory car show in the middle to ensure no one gets any sleep). No real rules.. my thoughts on rules:

-Vehicle must have 4 wheels and be a "car". ie. no karts, no sand rails, no 4-wheelers etc
-Must *drive* to all of the events. No trailer queens
-Required to use the same car for all events.. exceptions can be made if your car blows up at an event. But no intentional use of a Funny Car for the drag race, IndyCar for the road course and Brian's Miata for the AutoX.

And that's about it.

My thought was $40 to enter and all of the money will go into the event (and PayPal fees! lol). What you get for your entry:

-Door decals (need someone to make a rad design.. with skulls and crossbones of course)
-T-Shirt
-The remaining money will go towards the most ridiculous trophies you've ever seen for 1st through 3rd place.

Entry list will be limited.. like 20-30 cars. I figure if the 9and3 guys do it, Loooseboys, a few from AZ240, AZRX7, AZ350Z, some of the AZSolo2 people, invite a couple guys from Vegas, Jeremy Renshaw and Jason Boles will do it and a few others, we'll hit 20 easily. If the event totally sucks, then I only have to apologize to 20 people. If it's totally badass, we can do another one in the winter and bump the list to as many as we want.

If we decide to do it I will make a flyer to post online.. there's probably no need to post it anywhere else. I can setup an email address, make a "rulebook" then with the help of a couple people, make the stickers, shirts and trophies. Once people are signed up I can contact each event coordinator (Firebird, Boles, Pavilions Car Show People, Solo2) and inform them of what the hell is going on.. I bet we could get our own lane at the drags, possibly a run group with NASA, our own parking space at Pavilions and we'd just warn the Solo2 guys. Given every event starts early in the AM, no one would be getting any sleep either, which is perfect for a motorsports event.

No corporate sponsor stuff, unless someone if willing to offer up like a million bucks.. just us fucking around, goofing off etc. It needs to be somewhat rebellious to be exciting! Think of a road rally meets one lap meets ghetto racing at it's finest.

And I need a name for all this. BALLS Challenge is a good one.. need something along those lines.

Any other input?

[phoenixZ33]

Sweet.. there's drag racing on Friday night. Event schedule:

Friday - August 10th

5:00pm - Kickoff meeting at Hooters on Chandler/48th Street

7:00pm - Drag racing at Firebird Raceway

Saturday - August 11th

5:00am - Time Attack at Firebird Raceway w/NASA

7:00pm - Pavilions Car Show

Sunday - August 12th

5:00am - Autocross at Firebird w/SCCA

1:00pm - Awards ceremony @ somewhere.

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[J0oftheworld]

How would you level car performance!?
-1/4?
-Track, TT rules? HP/LBS?
-Auto-x has a system in place.

That'd be a Balls Out weekend! :D

[kev]

Brady,

The solo summer series will be capped at 90, so I'd definitely recomemnd people pre-register for the autox. I don't think we'll max out though.

Sounds pretty sweet and simple.

[91s13]

what about rules for parts changes? ie. drag radials fri night, full on slicks for track and 710s for auto-x. Not that I can afford that.

[Eunos]

That could be a lot of fun.

I'd suggest doing a weighted points system for performances in each event. Adding times really takes away the significance of the drag and autocross. Unless that's what you're looking for.

[wgnths]

sounds awesome minus the heat of august:( i'd be in, just for the door decal.

[phoenixZ33]

How would you level car performance!?
-1/4?
-Track, TT rules? HP/LBS?
-Auto-x has a system in place.



I was thinking of using either a cumulative time through all events, or a points system. ie. 1st place is 20 points, 2nd is 15 points etc.

No PAX, no classes, no handicaps.. F that. If you show up in a Spec Miata, you better be one hell of a good driver! ;) I was more hoping people would sign up just for fun more than anything... especially since it's the first time.

what about rules for parts changes? ie. drag radials fri night, full on slicks for track and 710s for auto-x. Not that I can afford that.

That's the point.. get creative. There's nothing on the line here other than a 6' tall trophy and mad right for Internet shit talking, so who cares. The point of keeping it small (~20 people) is to everyone knows everyone and that will make it more fun.

The solo summer series will be capped at 90, so I'd definitely recomemnd people pre-register for the autox. I don't think we'll max out though.

I thought about that too.. I figure if we make this official and post the registration stuff online, it should fill up in a couple weeks max. Once I get everyone's info, the second Solo2 registration goes live, I can sign all the competitors up.

Classing for the Solo2 won't be that important since it's a timed event, not based on PAX. I figure for the guys who have specific classes, like B. Peters, they can stay in CSP, everyone else will get dumped in XP, D Mod etc..

And of course not staying for your work assignment will results in a Disqual. from the entire program/event.

I'd suggest doing a weighted points system for performances in each event. Adding times really takes away the significance of the drag and autocross. Unless that's what you're looking for.

A points system could work.. the point was to make it a fun event to participate in, in general, not necessarily about spending a ton of money on the car so you can go out claim to the world that you won the phoenix balls challenge, or whatever it's gonna be called.

The good thing is the FIR West course is pretty short so the time differences won't be huge. Surely you, Brian, will beat everyone by five seconds in the Autocross event, so it's not like you'll be hurtin' for times.

I was half tempted to rent some POS car, borrow something fun to drive etc rather than use my own car just to make it more interested.. kind of like a cannonball run type thing.

But if you have ideas for a weighted points system, I'd like to see it.

Entry Fees

I totally forgot about the entry fees for each event. Between Solo2, NASA and drag racing, that's like 150 bucks. Should people have to pay their own entry fees separately, or should I make entry into the "challenge" 200 bucks and I can pay everything? You know a bunch of people would slack off and forget to pay for the NASA day..

[wgnths]

classing should definetely be geared more towards the event being fun. no need to get all technical. and i suck on west track. it would be fun to rent something to do it.

[phoenixZ33]

sounds awesome minus the heat of august:( i'd be in, just for the door decal.

you have A/C, what are you crying about? lol. no one said this would be easy.

When/if this happens, we need to post it all over the 'Net, just to hype it up and make everyone jealous they can't do it.. then six months later when we do it again, we'll have 200 people.

I bet I could get DynoComp to do it... Vivid Racing as well, SRD and I'm sure KSport would be in with their drift car.

Think inviting shops is a good idea, or bad? We could just set aside five spots for shops.. that's where we'd get some publicity.

[kev]

Think inviting shops is a good idea, or bad? We could just set aside five spots for shops.. that's where we'd get some publicity.

I think anything to add better drivers and cars to the challenge is a good thing.

[wgnths]

I agree with kevin...and my wagon doesn't have a/c! needs to be fixed.

[Max Power]

Sounds cool... no classes, run what you brung style. I would even say no changes to the car... you run the same DOT tires for all events. Car must be street driven and registered. It would be hard to enforce people using pump gas, so leave that out.

As for points, I like the SCC rules for the USCC - first place gets max points, last place gets 10 and everyone else is given points based on a linear regression in between - except the whole last place gets 10 points. That would mean if you got last place at dragging, you could not win even if you got first at TT and Solo. So, something like first place get X points, last place gets Y points, then a linear regression in between - just have to figure out the point values that would make it fair.

Or set a minimum and maximum before hand... say 10 sec 1/4 gets max points, 18 second gets min points, linear regression in between. That way people should be bunched up better. Do the same for NASA (say, 1.05 gets max points, 1:18 gets min points) and solo (guess this would depend on the course). So say you use 50 max and 10 min, if you ran a 1:09:56 at PIR, you get 36.969 points (of course you could cut it down to whatever decimal point you want).

I'll work on names

[phoenixZ33]

Sounds cool... no classes, run what you brung style. I would even say no changes to the car... you run the same DOT tires for all events. Car must be street driven and registered. It would be hard to enforce people using pump gas, so leave that out.

As for points, I like the SCC rules for the USCC - first place gets max points, last place gets 10 and everyone else is given points based on a linear regression in between - except the whole last place gets 10 points. That would mean if you got last place at dragging, you could not win even if you got first at TT and Solo. So, something like first place get X points, last place gets Y points, then a linear regression in between - just have to figure out the point values that would make it fair.

Or set a minimum and maximum before hand... say 10 sec 1/4 gets max points, 18 second gets min points, linear regression in between. That way people should be bunched up better. Do the same for NASA (say, 1.05 gets max points, 1:18 gets min points) and solo (guess this would depend on the course). So say you use 50 max and 10 min, if you ran a 1:09:56 at PIR, you get 36.969 points (of course you could cut it down to whatever decimal point you want).

I'll work on names

That's a complicated points system. The Modified Tuner Shootout was really fun because everyone knew which car ran what time, so it was easy to keep a tally of who's in the lead, what it takes at each event to move up on the leaderboard etc.. raw times make it simple. I don't want to have to use calculus at every venue to see who's where in the running order.

I know for a fact a lot of people (who I envision entering this) will be turned off if it's overly complicated.. especially since it's the first time.

And I want to keep this balls out, and retarded as this may sound, I'll just say "pushing limits with the law" doesn't bother me.. ie. if Joe Blow wants to put a license plate on his nascar and drive it down the street to the events, that's not my problem! ;) If you require all cars to be street legal, half the entry list will be eliminated.

I was planning on inviting Clay with the Cobra kit car.. mixing wild stuff like his cobra, with non-street legal spec miatas, station wagons, an SUV and rental cars will make this really interesting to watch. That's what makes the Gumball Rally and One Lap of America fun to watch.

I was thinking: 9and3 Challenge yay, or gay?

[wgnths]

9and3 challenge FTW! Would go along nicely with the new website we have in the works.

[J0oftheworld]

I'm just curious.. where's everyone park if you're running west track and there's and auto-x going on!? :D

So far I like:
1. One entry fee for all events/inclusive
2. Easy point system
3. Inviting whomever as long as I can have a spot! :D
4. Being 10mins from my house all weekend! haha

So, we using x-ponders on the track? That's the only event w.out timing normally. Should we all run the TT group or should we ask for a special group? That day? West track is more miata friendly than having to run the drag strip 2 days in a row! :D

Another cool idea.. that my friends are doing..
http://www.24hoursoflemons.com/

[Max Power]

It's not complicated! Algebra is easy :). I was just tossing out ideas... it seemed like the easiest way to normalize times that vary a lot into points.

Unless there's a Cobra, I'm winning the drag race ;)

9and3 Challenge FTW

[J0oftheworld]

Miata Nahz kit bishes :p

[phoenixZ33]

I'm just curious.. where's everyone park if you're running west track and there's and auto-x going on!? :D

So, we using x-ponders on the track? That's the only event w.out timing normally. Should we all run the TT group or should we ask for a special group? That day? West track is more miata friendly than having to run the drag strip 2 days in a row! :D



Huh? The autocross and track event are on different days.

Everyone will use transponders for the track event, so it'll probably be combined with the time attack event, or perhaps if we had enough people we could beg Jason for our own separate run session that's timed.

[phoenixZ33]

It's not complicated! Algebra is easy :). I was just tossing out ideas... it seemed like the easiest way to normalize times that vary a lot into points.

Unless there's a Cobra, I'm winning the drag race ;)

9and3 Challenge FTW

Yeah right.. you'll puss out before ever dropping your clutch at 5,000rpms!

My only gripe with a points system is you'd need scale so that all 20 entrants can get points. If we only have points for the top ten people, there will be a huge number of entrants that will most likely have a zero score at the end of the weekend.. what fun is that? If you do a total time, you can scroll down the list and see how the cars performed relative to one another.. plus the battle for 15th spot, could potentially be way more exciting than the battle for 1st spot... not to bring up the Modified event, but I was content finishing 6th because we had such a great battle (0.004 sec) with 5th.

Or I was thinking "9and3 Rally". I almost like that name better. And even if you don't know about the website, the term "9and3" goes along with the theme of our event (driving).

I say we do it this August with 20 people to see how it goes. if it's a hit, we can do it again in the winter and after that do it only in the winter, like once a year or something... only issue will come from scheduling, as it has to take place on a weekend when there are several events going on.

[Eunos]

I sent Brady a spreadsheet looking at different scoring options, and a point based or %-off-leader system are the only options to retain margin of victory while still putting equal emphasis on all three events.

Yes, it would be a little more complicated, but should provide for the best and most accurate competition.

I also think entry numbers should be limited to ~20.

[dannydriver]

Brady, this a killer idea!
I like the 1 price fits all...
Also I'd be willing to do it in either the Chevelle or the BMW!
Dan

[skilit]

This sounds like an awesome event, keeping it simple would be the best way to keep interest so a 1 time entry fee would be perfect. for the first time around leave it as the fastest overall time and see how that works out. I vote for 9and3 Challenge as Rally means we need to go somewhere of some sorts...or 9an3's One Lap of FIR, since it'll be there all weekend

[Max Power]

Nah, you can make the points thing fit as many people as you want. Just make an upper and lower bounds that fits all the vehicles in the scoring system and you'd be set. And you can make first place and last place worth as many points as you like to keep the scores kind of close (rather than if someone wins it all gets 300 points and if someone loses all three events would get 30). If you make the winner get 30 points (per event), the loser get 10 points (per event) and everyone else is spread out in between you could keep it close. Or 50/10 or whatever.

And yes, a 5k clutch drop scares the piss out of me. Oh, and what about drivers? Do you want the same person driving the car all 3 events? Probably should put that in there somewhere... or I'd get one of the Mynes guys to do the drag racing for me :)

[phoenixZ33]

1 driver the whole time.. the driver is what will be scored, not the car. I already have plans for a rule about running a single car (with exceptions for mechanical stuff).

[wgnths]

Unless there's a Cobra, I'm winning the drag race ;)



Your car won't be done by then!

[phoenixZ33]

After thinking about this for a while now, here's what I'm leaning towards.. this could change at any second.

-Using a points system where the fastest elapsed time gets 1000 points.. everyone else's time is a percentage of that. ie. 1st place is 100 seconds and 1000 points. 2nd place is 125 seconds and 800 points, 3rd is 127sec and 787 points etc.

-Results will be based off points, but times for each event will be accrued as well and shown.

-Three dynamic events (drag, roadcourse, autoX) with a mandatory car show.

-Invite only first, then open entries to the public if we have leftover spots. It shouldn't be hard to fill 20 spots.

-No classing cars.. no handicaps. If you show up with a stock Geo Storm, expect to finish at the bottom unless 19 cars break down.

-Beg Jason Boles for a run group at the end of the day.. or even have all competitors run transponders *all day* and use the best lap from the whole day.

-Autocross group seems to support this idea (sweet)

-Hoping to get a diverse group of road racers and autocrossers.. I don't know any drag racers. We have to make sure everyone entered has track experience, or can at least handle themselves on FIR West for a 1/2 day.

[wgnths]

or can at least handle themselves on FIR West for a 1/2 day.

crap, i'm out! might be different if it's dry this time.

that system sounds pretty darn good. and i may just bring a metro.

[Eunos]

Brady, I think you have the time vs. score inversed. A first place time of 100 seconds for one event would result in say, 1000 pts, but then a second place time of 117.6 sec would be a score of 850 pts. Everyone's scores would then be added for the three events.

Yes, invite only at first. I'd personally be in favor of a dedicated T/A session if possible rather than just run a transponder all day and take your best time. I guess that's the Surge TA vs. Nasa TT's right?

[Max Power]

Haha, too bad you don't get points for the car show... I'd put my effort into that and the drag race - it would be hilarious to win without winning any track events :)

Not funny Erin... not funny at all.

[wgnths]

Yes, invite only at first. I'd personally be in favor of a dedicated T/A session if possible rather than just run a transponder all day and take your best time. I guess that's the Surge TA vs. Nasa TT's right?

yes, and i run anywhere from 2-4 seconds faster in TA vs. TT. i don't seem to run as well with traffic.

[phoenixZ33]

i always run better in TT, just to be different.

I have most of the rules and regulations typed up already.. 2 pages of stuff, which IMO is plenty. this will be invite only. Once the entry list is determined, I'll post a list of drivers and we can go from there. I have to make a couple phone calls first before doing this, but it looks like this will be a kickass event!

[phoenixZ33]

I just got off the phone with Boles and he's down.. the plan is to have a separate "9and3 Challenge" run group at the end of the day on Saturday for us to do our time trials.

Now I just have to call FIR and the Pavilions to reserve our spots and we're in.

[wgnths]

good job brady! and we need some kick ass decals ala bullrun rally etc. would boles be interested in donating a prize or something? and we could all be required to run cra decals. it would bring attention to the cars, especially at pavs, with some kick butt decals.

[darkslide750]

Please keep room for at least 1 wankel. I've been dieing to run the 1/4.

[darkslide750]

"9and3 Challenge" sounds very legit, btw.
Like......"I got 7th at the "9and3 Challenge".

[phoenixZ33]

"9and3 Challenge" sounds very legit, btw.
Like......"I got 7th at the "9and3 Challenge".

Shawn, I had your name on my secret entry list, so I hope you can make it! If the RX7 is busted, you'll have to run your BMW. No backing out!

And you better practice that phrase.. "I got 7th at the 9and3", you'll be glad you did come August 13th. lol

When I get to work tomorrow I'll post my entry list that I have made up so far.

[phoenixZ33]

Erin, Ryan -

Is it possible to start a new forum section just for the challenge? Then make a subdomain, like challenge.9and3.net that links to it? I need a place to put all the information so people can access it.

[Max Power]

Only if you keep Ryan as your Avatar ;)

[DangerViking]

Erin, Ryan -

Is it possible to start a new forum section just for the challenge? Then make a subdomain, like challenge.9and3.net that links to it? I need a place to put all the information so people can access it.

Done and done
challenge.9and3.net

It's a subforum of the Events forum

[phoenixZ33]

i'm working on my entry list. the following people need to let me know asap (like, really asap) if you're gonna do this. and once you commit, you have to do it.. no backing out.

Ryan Johnson
Jason Miller
Alberto

and anyone else in this thread for that matter.

[DangerViking]

ooh pick me! pick me!
I should have the swap done by then, and hopefully will have somewhat learned to drive :P

[Max Power]

Definitely in

Edit - Does the 150 include entry into one of the HPDE groups too or just the time trial portion? I've never run West so I'd like to spend a few sessions getting my learn on. Also, do you want DOT tires or could someone run, say hoosiers for all the events?

[Izerosll]

I'm in. :)

[phoenixZ33]

Definitely in

Edit - Does the 150 include entry into one of the HPDE groups too or just the time trial portion? I've never run West so I'd like to spend a few sessions getting my learn on. Also, do you want DOT tires or could someone run, say hoosiers for all the events?

$150 covers the entire day at Firebird.. which means the usual 4 track sessions, plus the bonus session for the 9and3 guys.

You can run whatever tire for whatever event.. Hoosier DOT, hoosier nascar tires, Pirelli slicks.. whatever.

[dannydriver]

Brady,
Maybe you or someone else can verify this, I know from my drag racing days that you had to run with the door windows UP, and some of us don't have door windows.
Will we need to have them at the drag strip? I would assume so but wanted to ask before I put lexan in. It would only be for this event since we don't need it on the road course.
Maybe you could ask FIR when you talk to them.
Later

[Eunos]

Dan, usually a window net is good enough.

[darkslide750]

hoosier nascar tires,
Can you get these for 17's? If so, I'm running Nascar Slicks.

[phoenixZ33]

Brady,
Maybe you or someone else can verify this, I know from my drag racing days that you had to run with the door windows UP, and some of us don't have door windows.
Will we need to have them at the drag strip? I would assume so but wanted to ask before I put lexan in. It would only be for this event since we don't need it on the road course.
Maybe you could ask FIR when you talk to them.
Later

I was wondering about that too since I don't have windows. I'll find out.. but as Brian said, I'm sure a window net will suffice.

[J0oftheworld]

I would say 100% YES but I'm about to have my car up for sale sooo..
Put me in line first for a backout contingent... then if I still have my car or another car worthy I'll come give you TT studs a run for your $$! :D

[wgnths]

I haven't looked yet, but without checking right now does anyone know the new rules for drags? I know you need a helmet if you run 13's and quicker, and i think there was something about fire jacket and crap now with turbo/power adders. Maybe it was for n/a cars with those additions.

[crzyjulius]

-13.99 and slower you will need a helmet only
-if you have any sort of aftermarket power adder, i.e. turbo, supercharger, nitrous, you will need a fire jacket
-10.99 and slower a roll cage is necessarry (not sure on this one let me double check)

Your car is ok since it came turboed from the factory erin. Brady I have this design that I'm working on for decals let me just finish it and I'll post it by tomorrow to see what you guys think.

[crzyjulius]

I think we should have a bonus points system for the car show! Have a box and let people vote on their fav car. Every vote that your car gets counts for another 5 points. It could make it even more interesting since there would be a possibility for a ton of points! Just a thought

[kev]

-13.99 and slower you will need a helmet only
-10.99 and slower a roll cage is necessarry

Don't you mean 13.99 and FASTER
10.99 and FASTER

[wgnths]

we all know the baby blue lancer ralliart would win the car show.

[J0oftheworld]

http://www.firebirdraceway.com/06web/streetdrags.html
Bottom of page is street drag rules.

#2 is kinda grey.. window nets for us racecar drivers okay!? :p

Also, I think they'll let you run the first time and then if you break the speed barriers atleast you have that first run. I know some of you will be faster than 13sec. Drive shaft loop!? no. 12sec or faster I'm sure they'll want a cage in the car and fuel cell. If you don't know what your car will run they have to let yo ufind out before making you follow all the rules I imagine.
We should be okay.. haha I know I'll be okay! :p 18sec 1/4! :D

[Max Power]

They changed the NHRA rules recently - I don't believe you need the loops... basically, if it's a hardtop car and you have a helmet, you're good up to 11.49. If it's a convertible, you're SOL.

[crzyjulius]

So I was thinking of something evil... skulls and bones!! But that's been used plenty and I wanted to incorporate something 9&3ish into it my design so... I came up with something but I'm no computer nerd so it needs some cleaning up and I think it will look good! But I'm just throwing ideas around so here it goes
http://i36.photobucket.com/albums/e4/crzyjulius/93challengedecalsv2trimmed.jpg
I wanted a steering wheel with wrenches grabbing at the 9 and 3 positions:)But obviously my wrenches need some beefing up!!

[Izerosll]

Give me a few days and I can come up with something..

[Izerosll]

Ok. empty post. I need 5 to post pics..

[Izerosll]

just another useless post. Trying to reach 5 post so I can use a picture

[Izerosll]

http://farm1.static.flickr.com/243/521772734_4172a62ea9.jpg?v=0

There you go, cleaned up your idea for you.

[2manyFbods]

I haven't had a chance to read all the posts on the challenge yet but, I haven't seen anything requiring NASA membership. Do we need to be members?

[J0oftheworld]

Ruh Roh! Lar shows up w. the mad horse powAh! :D

[phoenixZ33]

I haven't had a chance to read all the posts on the challenge yet but, I haven't seen anything requiring NASA membership. Do we need to be members?

I'm not sure exactly how that's going to work. I'm working with NASA to get a price break on entries so we won't have to charge extra for the people that need NASA memberships. Theoretically there's an incentive for NASA to give the Solo guys a price break as that's X number of entrants who are being introduced to track days.. same goes for the track guys running the Solo event.

Either way, I'm going to try my best to make sure the entry fee covers NASA memberships for whoever needs them.

[Max Power]

Hmmm, white Firebird... your initials wouldn't happen to be LP would they? If so, I know you from my F-body days :)

[wgnths]

http://farm1.static.flickr.com/243/521772734_4172a62ea9.jpg?v=0

There you go, cleaned up your idea for you.

nice job! but i really don't want wrenches on the decal.

[Izerosll]

No worries I was re-designing someone elses idea.
He wanted it to look clearer.
I have a few ideas of my own that I will post up once I get some free time at work to actually work on it.

[2manyFbods]

Hmmm, white Firebird... your initials wouldn't happen to be LP would they? If so, I know you from my F-body days :)


Yup :D I hope your not that one guy I pissed off by winning the race and taking your girl ! LOL !!

[Max Power]

Lol, nah... it's Alberto. Moved on to smaller and more imported cars :)

[2manyFbods]

Lol, nah... it's Alberto. Moved on to smaller and more imported cars :)


Alberto! wow, it's been a long time. I still have the same car. :cool:

[Max Power]

I just wanted to bring something up... I will have my car back for the cancelled event, so in your face Brady.

Of course it won't be driveable, but that's irrelevant :)